Gnon and Antignon

Just going to leave these here for the moment.

Life is a process of breaking down and using other matter, and if need be, other life. Therefore, life is aggression, and successful life is successful aggression. Life is the scum of matter, and people are the scum of life. There is nothing but matter, forces, space and time, which together make power. Nothing matters, except what matters to you. Might makes right, and power makes freedom. You are free to do whatever is in your power, and if you want to survive and thrive you had better do whatever is in your interests. If your interests conflict with those of others, let the others pit their power against yours, everyone for theirselves. If your interests coincide with those of others, let them work together with you, and against the rest. We are what we eat, and we eat everything.

All that you really value, and the goodness and truth and beauty of life, have their roots in this apparently barren soil.

This is the true knowledge.

Ken MacLeod, The Cassini Division

Is Man a Machine?

Recently I was with a group of mathematicians and philosophers. One philosopher asked me whether I believed man was a  machine. I replied, “Do you really think it makes any difference?” He most earnestly replied, “Of course! To me it is the most important question in philosophy.”

I had the following afterthoughts: I imagine that if my friend finally came to the conclusion that he were a machine, he would be infinitely crestfallen. I think he would think: “My God! How horrible! I am only a machine!” But if I should find out I were a machine, my attitude would be totally different. I would say: “How amazing! I never before realized that machines could be so marvelous!”

Raymond Smullyan, This Book Needs No Title

Horrorism is just another trap.

Author: strevdrrev

"Then go away!" said Zhuangzi, "and I will drag my tail in the mud."

9 thoughts on “Gnon and Antignon”

  1. Indeed—for a certain comparison go through (this is not a namedrop) Evola’s dealing with Existentialism in Ride the Tiger—limits are limits, and man acts by ideas, he understands them through knowing (co-gnosis), so his knowing must be delimited (for man to realize his full potential). Exiting traps ‘s whats its all about. That is exit. Not to be trapped.

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  2. “All that you really value, and the goodness and truth and beauty of life, have their roots in this apparently barren soil.”

    Harsh words, but Siddhartha Gautham came to the same conclusion and developed the Four Noble Truths that are the foundation of Buddhism.

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  3. “But if I should find out I were a machine, my attitude would be totally different. I would say: “How amazing! I never before realized that machines could be so marvelous!””

    Nobody believes humans (or animals) are merely “machines”. If they did murder wouldn’t be a crime nor would animal cruelty.

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      1. “Humans and animals are machines. ”

        How so?

        “Merely” is a question of perspective.”

        Meaning they are machines plus?

        Nobody buys humans are machines or else there would not be laws around the destruction of said machines. Just like I can take a hammer to my pc right now and there is no law against that. But I can’t take a hammer to you, or to a dog or cat, if I had one, without facing legal repercussions.

        So there is something more “special” about these types of machines, humans, and in this country anyway (USA), dogs and cats, than there is about my computer.

        What is that? Why is it?

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        1. Machines plus isn’t a bad way to put it. There is nothing intrinsically special about humans, but we’re the ones who make the laws and we care about each other (and about animals) so our laws reflect that. We’re a particular type of machine with a strong in-group bias.

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  4. I just saw this making the tumblr and facebook rounds:

    Stop. You are not a machine. Your natural design does not tolerate 2-4 hours of travel per day, 8-12 hours of slave-labor 5-6 days per week for whatever monetary compensation on 5-6 hours of sleep in a system built on penalistic principle and a life under judgmental surveillance. Like it or not, you are human. Stress, harassment, constant financial worries, fear and sense of inadequacy destroys the health of any human. This is a scientific fact. So why is it that we accept and tolerate a system that in actual reality demands that you erase your needs, and in effect commit a slow joyless suicide for someone elses profit? You have a choice, stop pretending that you don’t.

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